tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post3623791486415248922..comments2024-03-04T01:16:15.730-07:00Comments on Ski Bike Junkie: Apologia pro vita suaSki Bike Junkiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12295969126174565599noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-63073005567207753862021-07-20T22:55:56.765-06:002021-07-20T22:55:56.765-06:00semakin hari semakin paten promo cashback dari ban...semakin hari semakin paten promo cashback dari bandar togel online kingdomgrup <a href="http://128.199.187.54/" rel="nofollow">http://128.199.187.54/</a>Bandar Togel Onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01850725223343609100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-18326682769691783422011-04-16T01:37:37.643-06:002011-04-16T01:37:37.643-06:00I have never been to Utah, but from lurking on &qu...I have never been to Utah, but from lurking on "dug" and your blogs I wondered if I chose the wrong place to settle down. (like going skiing during lunch break! No way.).<br /><br />I wondered how a non - Mormon could manage to live there. <br /><br />Now I see with people like you they could live very well.MzunguErikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11798367115574846469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-34685864337836681322011-03-21T22:45:19.948-06:002011-03-21T22:45:19.948-06:00Wow. Great post. Nothing else to say.Wow. Great post. Nothing else to say.Enelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00967981896718833776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-52990379842900920682011-03-09T19:48:34.187-07:002011-03-09T19:48:34.187-07:00Blackdog, I find people's reactions to be the ...Blackdog, I find people's reactions to be the most interesting thing about this process. Nobody really has any right to an opinion unless they have taken the time to thoroughly examine their own beliefs. Ironically, it seems as if those who have done the least examination have the strongest opinions.<br /><br />Brad, I agree about the world becoming big and amazing, and I'll add that every day becomes that much more precious. Also agree that both origin and outcome are far less important than taking the journey itself. The journey is what matters.Ski Bike Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295969126174565599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-70036169057749006082011-03-09T17:21:01.418-07:002011-03-09T17:21:01.418-07:00Been there. Not fun but awesome. Isn't it craz...Been there. Not fun but awesome. Isn't it crazy how big and amazing the world becomes afterward? I think it's something everyone should go through regardless of their religion and regardless of the outcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-40113948766571760652011-03-09T13:58:11.932-07:002011-03-09T13:58:11.932-07:00My parents took a comparative religion class at th...My parents took a comparative religion class at the U. I think the class and the way they were treated by family when they got married and had me 7 months later pushed them to examine their beliefs. They were both active until that point.Blackdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00049275343213520407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-86972237015361107212011-03-09T13:15:32.523-07:002011-03-09T13:15:32.523-07:00Blackdog: what was the catalyst for your parents? ...Blackdog: what was the catalyst for your parents? As for dug's joke about the kids, we haven't had much of that, but our oldest daughter has heard some comments here and there. By and large, our neighborhood is not as "devout" as down the hill (on either side), so we've got that in our favor. Good for Sue for calling the neighbor on being a closed-minded idiot rather than just suffering in silence.Ski Bike Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295969126174565599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-46520818565529171002011-03-09T12:28:19.407-07:002011-03-09T12:28:19.407-07:00My parents went through this process in the early ...My parents went through this process in the early 70's. My experience as a child was similar to Troy's. More recently I have come to the same conclusions as Stupidbike. I am a bit of a hypocrite because I still send my kids to parochial school. The idea of not allowing kids to play together was alive and well in my neighborhood as recently as 8 years ago. I know you are kidding dug. But seeing my wife stomp down the street to tell a neighbor want a closed minded idiot they were was very interesting to say the least.Blackdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00049275343213520407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-72604307675429984862011-03-09T09:57:11.173-07:002011-03-09T09:57:11.173-07:00To Topcat:
Your initial response to Mark is one th...To Topcat:<br />Your initial response to Mark is one that is quite common on the part of believers when initially confronted with the fact that one of their own has determined that the churh is not trustworthy. I don't know if are a believer or not but it might interest you to know that attacking the source and even ad-hominem approaches are pretty much the standard initial attack of those who want to protect their belief systems. <br /><br />On a personal level, I know Mark to be nothingn if not an incredibly skeptical consumer of information from both sides of any issue. In fact, I find that to be a common characteristic of most who make this journey. I find it ironic that the church can produce some of the most incredibly gifted researchers and scientists who are capable of determining truth and taking a critical and objective approach to determine the truthfulness of any given issue except that which they claim to matter most in this life. <br /><br />Having read most of what FARMS/FAIR/MADB has to offer in the defense of these issues, I can see that there are valid points to be made on both sides. That said, blanket rejections of Marks very personal conclusion based on his links for more information is not very useful or (although about as useful than just about anything I have read from FARMS/FAIR). I suspect that you are actually familiar enough with the issues and the research skills of most in his position to know that Mark was not using Wikipedia as his primary source for such a critical decision. I suspect that such comments are really made to keep the believers believing and the doubters well outside of the circle of wagons (Red Herring).<br /><br />I am, however, very intested any well reserached conclusions you may have regarding any one of Mark's issues above. Part of the beauty of leaving the church is finally being able to admit "I might be wrong and am willing to follow truth wherever it leads". I don't think this is a statement most believers are very comfortable saying.Troy, Gena and Kidshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10275599304312991379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-37173219869643128302011-03-09T09:34:15.984-07:002011-03-09T09:34:15.984-07:00Mark, I really enjoyed and relate to this. I comm...Mark, I really enjoyed and relate to this. I commend your courage and integrity. Here on the other side of the state line, my wife and I began an almost identical Journey just a few months after you did. I have compiled my own list of "not very useful" truths as well. I was shocked and deeply saddened to discover that I could no longer believe in the faith of my fathers. <br /><br />We have not been so lucky as to retain all of our friends. We have lost many friands and some family along the path who have decided that we are "just too dangerous" to their worldview despite our pleading with them and promises that we would not try to damage their own faith. My own father used to call me once per week; he has called once in almost a year at this point. He will talk to me if I call him but he will not reach out to me. Could this possibly be the fruits of Gods True Church On Earth? We are heartbroken about the loss but we really have no choice but to honor our own integrity. As a parent, I owe it to my children to pass on to them as truth only that which can be verified as such or, at the very least, not be easily demonstrated to be patently UNTRUE.<br /><br />For me, the most discouraging part of this journey is not the loss of my faith-based understanding of how the universe worked, but the willingness of those who I deeply love and respect to do anything (including terminating our relationship) in order to avoid accepting that someone they love and respect has come to a well researched and soundly founded conclusion that the church is not what it claims to be. <br /><br />Many of my loved ones have shown that they would quickly reject me rather than deal with that possibility. Being at the receiving end of this unbelieveably selfish betrayal, it is hard for me not to see this as a sign of great personal weakness/lack of integrity. Through a lifetime of such historically inaccurate and culturally biased stories such as Thomas Marsh and the milk strippings, members of the church have been deeply indoctrinated to believe that there can be no honorable dissention from the church and its version of all that is true.<br /><br />For many in this life, belief itself is much more valuable than the actual truthfulness of that which is believed in.Troy, Gena and Kidshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10275599304312991379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-69060218126180075032011-03-09T05:00:14.837-07:002011-03-09T05:00:14.837-07:00Kim: thanks for the well wishes. Same for you, Tom...Kim: thanks for the well wishes. Same for you, Tom, I think.<br /><br />Topcat: "a few things have changed with Wikipedia in 6 years..." OK, such as? Please provide some evidence. After all, refusing to believe naked claims or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority" rel="nofollow">arguments from authority</a> is at the heart of what this post is about. Glad you enjoyed it, though.Ski Bike Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295969126174565599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-70303177425543067462011-03-08T19:34:34.021-07:002011-03-08T19:34:34.021-07:00Honestly,
I thought.
What took you so long?
Planet...Honestly,<br />I thought.<br />What took you so long?<br />Planet normal? Forsooth, welcome to planet TOM!! <br />Normal is so.....<br />PedestrianTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10467614352521461304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-81432877235774741362011-03-08T10:34:08.134-07:002011-03-08T10:34:08.134-07:00I wish I could come up with something clever, but ...I wish I could come up with something clever, but my brain seems to be moving in slow motion these days. Instead, I offer you nothing but love on your journey.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12541919627225487749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-53609434432684773212011-03-08T10:20:01.414-07:002011-03-08T10:20:01.414-07:00pedanticpedanticStupidBikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12994994198022740179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-45310372597353795792011-03-08T09:35:48.154-07:002011-03-08T09:35:48.154-07:00Your link source was published 6 year ago—a few th...Your link source was published 6 year ago—a few things have changed with Wikipedia in 6 years. Maybe, just maybe you could find a professor at the College of Eastern Utah to validate a Wikipedia source in an entry level 101 biology class...but I doubt it.<br /><br />Good post yesterday, I had to sign up for a Gmail account just to chime in. Now get to work, Symantec has a lot of code that needs to be written so we can over charge our consumers.topcat5753https://www.blogger.com/profile/13093675602709358842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-37783341132404849942011-03-08T08:57:51.020-07:002011-03-08T08:57:51.020-07:00Topcat: skepticism is needed to weed out falsehood...Topcat: skepticism is needed to weed out falsehood. But I fear at this point we are arguing semantics. As for Wikipedia, I cited it because it provides a balanced summary of the facts. Tertiary source notwithstanding, its <a href="http://news.cnet.com/Study-Wikipedia-as-accurate-as-Britannica/2100-1038_3-5997332.html" rel="nofollow">accuracy is well-documented.</a> That doesn't mean I based any decisions on what I found there; I simply linked there so readers would know I wasn't making stuff up. But thanks for being so extremely generous in sharing your ample research and truth-finding skills.Ski Bike Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295969126174565599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-32806893989756685132011-03-07T22:12:19.299-07:002011-03-07T22:12:19.299-07:00Mark, someone is telling you you are doing it wron...Mark, someone is telling you you are doing it wrong on the intrawebs. <br /><br />Daren, just call me the 'faith shaker'StupidBikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12994994198022740179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-66752014724616640792011-03-07T21:20:51.479-07:002011-03-07T21:20:51.479-07:00An inquirying mind and creative curiosity are need...An inquirying mind and creative curiosity are needed to find truth. This is generative. Skepticism is most often not generative. It can be semantics depending on the definition one chooses.<br /><br />Wikipedia is a free, user-compiled, open-edited, online encyclopedia and should not be used as a cited source for truth because it is not peer reviewed before publication—the fact that most people can edit its content is a major problem. It is also considered a tertiary source—a compilation of primary and secondary sources. No true researcher would validate findings sourced by Wikipedia as truth. I would not base your beliefs on what you read in Wikipedia.topcat5753https://www.blogger.com/profile/13093675602709358842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-19806110607710051912011-03-07T20:56:08.955-07:002011-03-07T20:56:08.955-07:00Wait, you and Bob agree on something. That's ...Wait, you and Bob agree on something. That's shaking my faith to the core. Very troubling.Darenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14834731851525362875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-58189767168852829012011-03-07T20:06:51.757-07:002011-03-07T20:06:51.757-07:00Topcat: "Most researchers would say that if s...Topcat: "Most researchers would say that if skepticism is driving the search, you would be doomed to failure because we have already passed judgment rather than remained open to possibility and possible discovery." <br /><br />Really? And this assertion is based on what?<br /><br />Which is precisely my point. Skepticism is required to find truth. Without skepticism, one is too easily distracted by fiction. Skepticism is a reliance on verifiable evidence, the only real source of truth.<br /><br />Rabid: "A defense of one's life."Ski Bike Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295969126174565599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-54990203795070283312011-03-07T19:50:44.369-07:002011-03-07T19:50:44.369-07:00Wait... I'm confused. What does "Apologi...Wait... I'm confused. What does <i>"Apologia pro vita sua"</i> mean? I believe my faith might hinder delicately on the secret message you've included with the title.Rabidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01910636993163166976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-53912286002382452292011-03-07T19:17:23.771-07:002011-03-07T19:17:23.771-07:00I love you Mark and Rachel! I didn't think it...I love you Mark and Rachel! I didn't think it would ever come to be, but you are two of my BEST FRIENDS in the whole world.Marco Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150308888150326046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-86836138061370140672011-03-07T19:06:44.787-07:002011-03-07T19:06:44.787-07:00I began my own search for truth years ago when I d...I began my own search for truth years ago when I decided to take a walk on the “other side of the fence” for quite a few years. <br /><br />The word skepticism contradicts the true spirit of inquiry—which you allude is the journey you are one. True research is approached not with skepticism but with the intent to find truth and/or to understand some phenomena. Most researchers would say that if skepticism is driving the search, you would be doomed to failure because we have already passed judgment rather than remained open to possibility and possible discovery.topcat5753https://www.blogger.com/profile/00748168102739278349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-1596768061090879722011-03-07T16:51:11.467-07:002011-03-07T16:51:11.467-07:00whaaaaat? i had no idea. i will no longer allow my...whaaaaat? i had no idea. i will no longer allow my kids to play with your kids.dughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917606372332678277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5109501634336541211.post-35773389435658504722011-03-07T15:43:49.404-07:002011-03-07T15:43:49.404-07:00A well written account. Hopefully it will end the ...A well written account. Hopefully it will end the misinformation.<br /><br />All I have to say is: To thine own self be true. I'm not being glib, I think you know me well enough to know that I'm sincere. I've tried to write more, but it keeps coming out clumsy and inarticulate so forgive my brevity.KanyonKrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01954169751206336705noreply@blogger.com